Letter to the Editor: Hate Groups Make Me Want to Leave SC
A reader responds to story about hate groups in South Carolina.
An Aug. 10 article that listed a separatist group called the Nation of Islam as a hate-based organization prompted one reader to write Patch a letter. Maryam A. Al Fahyed, who said she is a Muslim, wrote the following:
"I was a bit upset with adding the Nation of Islam to the list of Hate Groups in SC! I am a Muslim (Sunni, not Nation) and I have to ask when was the last time you went into a N.O.I. mosque. The group has made a lot of changes and to speak on that group from statements made years ago can hurt a people badly. I know first hand how hard it been living in SC as an independent woman and having people spit or make dirty remarks at me when I have done nothing and I have never sided against the my country!. As I start to think about my future, looking at all the racist behavior here in SC has me looking to leave soon. Thank you for giving me the chance to say something!
Thank you,......truly mean it!
Maryam A. Al Fayed
maizenbluedoc
6:50 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Maybe you now realize how Jewish people have felt for centuries.
Shawn Drury
8:54 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
That logic is a little hard to understand maizenbluedoc. Because one group of people was persecuted, it means that other groups should know what it feels like? Maybe it's idealistic, but it seems to me we ought to aim for a society that is more empathetic, where everyone feels welcome, rather than wondering who we can cast as an outsider.
reg
9:56 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
maize could be referring to the perception of NOI having anti-semitic tendencies
JoSCh
11:11 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Nation of Islam IS anti-semitic, they aren't "perceived" as having "tendencies." They're also anti-gay and anti-white. That Farrakhan is getting soft because of cancer and old age is encouraging, but 80 years of racism and hate promoted by the organization doesn't go away with a few years of their current leader NOT being a total a-hole.
Debra Foshee
10:44 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
When I moved to SC 18 months ago, I bemoaned the lack of diversity in SC, specifically around Charleston, but lately I have seen signs of change. However, I too think that the article referred to made a grave error by adding this group of people to a list of "hate groups".
SDR
10:55 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Nation of Islam is Farrakhan's group. Perhaps the word "islam" is confusing people.
reg
12:10 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
good point, sdr. Big difference between the general faith and that one freaky sector. Equivalent of voodoo to Christianity
JoSCh
12:36 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
There isn't much difference between NOI and Islam in general. NOI is pretty vocal about it, but worldwide most of Islam is anti-Semitic. Of course I believe because of evidence that worldwide most faiths (not necessarily the individual faithful) are anti-gay.
reg
1:40 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
I think the the anti-semitism associated with Islam in general comes more from cultural and territorial differences, and not necessarily theological differences. Israel vs. Palestine has certainly added to that, too.
JoSCh
1:53 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
I'm sure that has some to do with it, but Islam, Judaism and Christianity all share the same deity and disagree on the messiah, be it Muhammad, some dude that hasn't shown up yet, or Jesus. None of them is compatible, therefore Jihad/Crusade is inevitable as long as the "faithful" continue executing what their "holy" books advocate. I just wish they'd leave us normal people out of it. Science damn them!
Gary Lee White
1:12 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Personally I think "ALL" religions are as dumb as a sack of hammers.
Everybody is saying my God is better than yours, and we are killing each other over it to prove it, makes a lot of sense doesn't it.
We haven't progressed much since walking on all 4's have we.
Money Loo
3:50 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Be careful Gary Lee White....the bibles will hear you..
JoSCh
1:48 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
It makes a lot of sense if you read their holy books.
And we've progressed a TON! Drone strikes don't happen on their own pal.
Jonathan Allen
2:44 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
airplanes don't fly themselves into buildings either.
I don't think Gary was talking about progress in a technological sense.
JoSCh
12:20 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I know, I was being facetious. Do we need a sarcasm font on Patch?
RyanH
2:53 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
While I sympathize with Ms. Al Fayed's frustration, I fear she will not find that any other state is noticeably more or less populated with hate groups than South Carolina. They are everywhere. What's the running joke--everyone's racist, but only in the South are we polite and open about it?
There are numerous groups in the country named hate groups--usually by the Southern Poverty Law Center--who vociferously dispute said designation. League Of The South is one that immediately comes to mind simply due to its high visibility. The designation is less an identification of groups who are actively and violently looking to hate/act against target groups, and more an identification of groups whose ideas and policies would, if enacted, work to oppress or marginalize target groups. In that respect I think it's legitimate for both the Nation of Islam and the League of the South to be identified.
I hope Ms. Al Fayed gives South Carolina a second chance. This state is in sore need of diverse opinions and people. SC has enormous potential for spiritual eminence and growth, perhaps more than any other state, but we'll never achieve it if people simply move away at the first sight of objectionable material.
Right Here
4:50 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Maryam,
Are you serious? NOI isn't a hate group? Ever hear of Louie Farrakhan? Maybe it's only because he hates whites and jews that you don't consider them a hate group?
Tiffany
6:48 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
"Hate groups" are groups of people who spend to much of their precious time and energy "hating" another group of people instead of convincing the rest of the world why they are better than the group that they "hate".... Sounds like elementary school to me... I guess we haven't progressed much aside from the internet and all... We ALL better learn to get along, because natural disaster will not care who "thinks" they are the superior race/religion!
Glenn Goodman
7:40 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
SC is no more saturated with "hate groups" than any other state. GET REAL, people!
Shawn Drury
11:11 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Actually Glenn, statistically speaking, SC ranks pretty high if you measure the amount of Hate Groups per capita. Only other Southern states (GA, MS, AL, AR) rank ahead of us.
stanley seigler
12:17 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
@Shawn Drury: '...Only other Southern states (GA, MS, AL, AR) rank ahead of us.'
tho the truth should be known...hate group rankings are irrelevant...the issue is: why are their HATE idiots...
[Tiffany say] 'We ALL better learn to get along, because natural disaster will not care who "thinks" they are the superior race/religion'
but how do we learn...i.e., how do we cure stupid...
Tiffany
7:02 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Dear Stanley,
We can not "cure" stupid (lol), but we can teach the CHILDREN to not make the same mistakes that were made in the past... I guess it's a matter of "learning" tolerance...
I.E "Live and Let Live"... realize we are ALL human. Americans (& those trying so hard to become American citizens) need to realize we have to stop fighting each other & band together (whatever religion/race) to fight OUR common enemies.....
JoSCh
12:53 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
I appreciate the sentiment, but to say that "Americans" need to band together to fight our common enemies doesn't make a lot of sense. From what I've seen there is an increasingly vocal and radical faction of Americans that have more in common with the enemies of freedom than they do with rational humans. See you own next post for an example of that. Your god has nothing to do with the strength of America.
Tiffany
7:07 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
America has its flaws, but we are strong because in GOD We Trust ( as did our founding fathers) and we are the UNITED states... "United we stand decided we fall!"
Karen H.
3:28 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Our Founding Fathers did not use the word God in the declaration of Independence, and the only mention of religion in the constitution is to keep religion out of government.
And the motto "In God We Trust" was put on our coins amid the anti-Red scares of the 1950's.....it did not originate with the Founding Fathers.
And btw, I think you mean "divided we fall..."
Tiffany
2:42 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
JoSCh,
When America was attacked on Sept 11, 2001--- the "radicals" did not consider whether or not there were blacks, whites, hispanics, christians, jews, muslims, or anti-christ in the buildings or aboard the plains.... they were attacking AMERICANS...
That's what I mean about the United States of AMERICA having to come together and stop fighting each other over who's right and who's wrong and fight our common enemy-- the ones who really don't care what we believe, they just want to demolish AMERICA....
JoSCh
2:59 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
I think you're mischaracterizing why the 9/11 terrorists did what they did, they don't have a blind hatred or desire to demolish America whatever that means, they attacked us specifically for what we believe. And I don't see any difference between them and Wade Michael Page, the new poster boy for American hate groups. He attacked a group of Americans for what they believe.
So are you saying that Wade Page wasn't an American or that we need to embrace him and the group that he represents? Or that he isn't a terrorist?
Shawn Drury
3:45 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Ok. folks...I know this is a sensitive topic and I believe it's more than worthy of discussion otherwise we would not have posted the letter, and the conversation so far has been pretty good.
No one's comments have been deleted and I'm not directing this to anyone in particular, but let's be careful about bringing up the terrorist attacks and motives that we can only infer.
Thanks for reading and for sharing your enthusiasm,
Shawn
Greg Hambrick
5:25 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
I would echo Shawn's comment and add that I have since removed one comment from the stream. Please share your thoughts and opinions, but in a respectful way.
JoSCh
12:16 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I say let the representatives of the modern right out themselves and their cause, but it's your website.
Right Here
5:36 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
OK. Lets try again.
If you'd like to educate yourselves on the joy that is Islam, take a look at:
www.thereligionofpeace.com
reg
10:35 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
funny, rite hear, but you're citing a source that is itself affiliated with promotion of islamophobia (major contributor Daniel Greenfield and his Sultan Knish are also classed as "hate group" by SPLC). Maybe you should try yet again?
Shawn Drury
12:06 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
RH - I prefer research that is peer-reviewed (I'm nerdy like that), rather than the rantings of a fear-stoking demagogue like the authors of the Religionofpeace.com.
http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Are-All-Islamic/128443/
JoSCh
12:17 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
American taliban.
JoSCh
12:21 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
You should post a link to your kkk groups website as educational material about black people.
Right Here
1:38 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
SD: Fair enough (I guess). I understand what you might think, what you've heard, or how you "feel", but could you point out just what on the site is not fact based?
Shawn Drury
3:48 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
RH - The site cherry picks information and identifies violence that suits its own point of view (and it's far from the only website that does that). From my point of view, and I'm speaking for myself only, I have problems with any organization--religious, sectarian, whatever--that uses violence to further its agenda. It's true that there are violent factions of Islam. But there are also violent extremists in most any large organization. To identify one as being more violent than another is dishonest.
If I started a website that listed all the times a Ford was involved in a car crash, you'd think Ford's are dangerous and you'd be nuts to buy one. All of the information on my website is true and fact-based, but I just leave out the fact 99.9 percent of Fords actually aren't in crashes. Nor do I mention any other cars. My site is fact-based, but it's not honest.