Poll: Did the Supreme Court Get It Right?
The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the Affordable Care Act, but did it make the right decision
Since its passage, conservatives have vowed to undo President Barack Obama's signature healthcare reform law, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
On Thursday though the high court's decision to uphold the law was delivered, with Chief Justice John Roberts, a Bush Administration appointee to the court, siding with the court's liberal wing.
Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney has vowed to repeal the law if elected.
Did the court make the right call? And how will this affect the Presidential election?
Tell us in the comments.
Fisher
11:35 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
When I was in my 20s, I worked full-time for a small family run business. It was a great job with decent pay. But the company had less than 10 employees and could not contribute to my health insurance. I couldn't afford the premium, so I went without. But one year at Christmas, I fell off a ladder and broke my hand. The treatment cost me about $5,000. I had to make payments to doctors and the hospital for nearly two years. Heaven forbid I got cancer or was injured in a car accident. I would have probably faced bankruptcy before I even finished college. That's not right, and Obamacare would have allowed me to BUY private insurance in government-managed pools that was more affordable. I wish it would have been around back then.
SDR
12:44 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Too bad there were no economics courses to take while you were getting educated. One of the problems with sickcare is that the demand is driven by a third party payer with a printing press. Increased demand means increased prices.
Sorry about your hand but the ACA will cost jobs. 20% of all jobs are with companies with fewer than 20 employees. Many will close and will resort to multiple part time jobs. I am reading the 974 page ACA and cannot believe the lack of understanding of how business works. The consequences will be far reaching. What sector of the economy is taken over next? The rest of education that is not under government control? Transportation?
reg
8:17 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Sorry, sdr - you've got that wrong. VERY wrong. Like davohen pointed out, there's exclusions for small businesses. And for mid-sized businesses, the insurance costs wind up lower.
The only ones who wind up short on this are the CEOs of the insurance companies; they won't be able to get their $15 million bonuses anymore.
Tonto
11:03 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Democrats are experts at citing one sob story out of millions to sell their crap and ruin life for millions who don't have that one terrific sob story :(
stanley seigler
11:27 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
@SDR: "... Too bad there were no economics courses to take while you were getting educated..."
too bad the only economic courses taken by GOPs was 'voodoo trickle UP 101'...OK so much for attemps at humor...
SDR, where do you come up with these uttely unsubstantiated opines...do you really believe them...
do you have any facts BO-care will cost jobs...any facts many businesses will close...
FYI
http://www.urban.org/uploadedpdf/412319-Affordable-Care-Act-Affect-Jobs.pdf
[CLIP] First, the overall economic effects of the law are simply too small relative to the overall size of the economy to have much of an effect on employment. Second, there are many offsetting effects...A proper interpretation of the NFIB estimates in light of the legislation actually passed would indicate relatively little net job loss. [goto link for details/context]
reg
11:49 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
please please please please Tonto - give us an example of how this ruins the lives of millions.
and while you do some mad hunt on the internet for some weirdo rightwing statistics (that have no validity), let me tell you a real story.
I knew a guy working on US property for a US company, but outside the USA. He had an injury that the medical facilities there couldn't accommodate, so he came back home. he was told he was in serious jeopardy and needed surgery immediately. But then his US insurance company told him they wouldn't cover him because he was only covered OUTSIDE the US, they claimed. When he contested that in court, he won - but then the insurance company claimed it was pre-existing and then denied any coverage for his problem. He then went to a free healthcare clinic - called CHarity Hospital, in fact. at that facility, he was told his condition was worsened - he had 90 days to live, they said, unless he had surgery. *That charity facility then denied him - telling him they couldn't do anything for him unless he had insurance.* He questioned it - reminded them of their "charity" name. They told him that only counted for ER type scenarios - since he wasn't already hemmorhaging, they said, they couldn't cover him. Of course, he could only survive a hemmorhage for 15 seconds, but .... that didn't count! Guess where that friend of mine is today? (I'll give you the address where you can send flowers to his gravesite)
Tonto
12:00 am on Friday, June 29, 2012
reg, I know a little old grandma who stubbed her tootsie and the evil insurance company said thats what happens to people who eat themselves into a 400 pound chain smoking diabetic alcoholic and we don't want to bankrupt saving your dumb ass :)
JoSCh
11:28 am on Friday, June 29, 2012
@SDR, the problem with people like you is that you think that education and healthcare are economic issues.
davohen
5:33 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Someone is not reading the same law that I read. The ACA does not require business with less than 50 employees to furnish insurance. You just listen to FOX and the GOP rants without knowing the truth. Take time to read the bill yourself and you will be more enlightened. GOP, anything to make this Pres. a one time Pres.
reg
8:17 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Amen, davohen!
Tonto
12:06 am on Friday, June 29, 2012
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/06/28/Flashback-Obama-Insists-Individual-Mandate-Not-A-Tax - If Oblamer lied about Oblamer care from the begining what makes you think he isn't less then truthfull about forcing Joe homeowner to provide healthcare for an illegal alien, like himself, to mow their lawns?
reg
8:38 am on Friday, June 29, 2012
First of all, you shoot yourself in your own foot by citing something like breitbart. And individual mandate is not a tax; you just played sucker to what the insurance CEOs' buddies are telling you
Tonto
7:09 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012
see reg you are now automatically being a liar too. The SCOTUS said Oblamer care is a tax thats why it was upheld. If it was a mandate it would not be upheld. Roberts in his conservative cunning screwd Oblamer royally. The liberal media was poised to pounce ruthlessly with a hate speech campaign for months and now not only blame bush and congress for Obama's failure but also the evil supreme court was to BLAME. Roberts cut that scam off and exposed Obama and his mother of all tax care. THANK YOU ROBERTS!
reg
11:12 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012
Wrong again, toto - Roberts stated that in his own supposed opinion, and so he wouldn't catch flak from conservadrones for taking the side of the moderate judges. He said that - of his own opinion - so he wouldn't be identified with the other judges.
Steve
8:50 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
I guess it's easier to parrot the Glenn Beck talking points than it is to actually read the decision.
stanley seigler
9:10 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
@tonto:
tax, fee, mandate, fine, whatever...'a rose
by any name would smell as sweet'... ie, what matters is what something is, not what it is called...and what BO-care is (w/ its mandate/tax) IS:
the most important piece of legislation since the civil rights legislation and takes it place along side social security, medicare, as the most important pieces of progressive legislation of the 20th century...all opposed by the GOPs picking nits and grasping for CYA policy straws...to justify their failed policies...eg;
GOP policy/plan to block BO-care: failed. GOP plan/JOB#1 BLOCK BO: FAILED. and they have not had a positive, progressive plan in the 20th century.
tonto, your explanation of the SCOTUS' decision hardly qualifies as a straw...why/how do you come up with this utterly, incomprehensible, illogical, dribble...as said surely you must know better.
...further everyone called it a mandate (not a tax) prior to SC decision.
but this so called lie pales by comparison to the multitude of lies GOPs have told/are telling re BO-care...not to mention lies told to commit USA to a war in iraq...
as a result of BO's efforts millions of american now have affordable health care insurance...do you really want to repeal it...but nit pick all you want it will NOT be repealed...and in 10 years it will be accepted just as social security and medicare are today.
re: THANK YOU ROBERTS!
indeed thanks for putting america, we the people, above party ideologies.....
JoSCh
10:49 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
If it's a tax then it's a tax that most Americans already pay and so they're just making the "free riders" pay that tax too. Raising "taxes" on the small percentage of people who weren't paying for but were receiving emergency care sounds like a financially conservative policy.
Maybe if his name didn't lend itself to HUGELY CLEVER puns like Oblamer and Osama and Odumbo, maybe then the conservotards would actually look at his policies and see them for what they really are.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/funny-names-for-obama/blog-258053/