HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA WE HAVE THE HIGHEST INCREASE OF ILLEGALS...IT IS TRAITOROUS OBAMA NOR BUSH ENFORCE OUR OWN LAWS. DAMN DEMS N REPUBS FOR THIS MESS. SCHOOLS,HOSPITALS,PRISONS,JOBS,WAGES ETC ETC ETC. JAIL THE EMPLOYERS AND ILLEGALS WILL DEPORT THEMSELVES.

@harry
re: HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA WE HAVE THE HIGHEST INCREASE OF ILLEGALS...JAIL THE EMPLOYERS AND ILLEGALS WILL DEPORT THEMSELVES.

i like "jail the employers and illegals will deport themselves"...good thought...should be part of comprehensive immigration reform.

the following was posted to another thread:

wish all the illegals would go back to wherever...and let the produce rot in the fields...we dont need cheap veggies and fruits...we can import it from mexico.

FYI: "Most of the non-Latinos that Smith [Alabama framer] has hired over the years last maybe a couple of hours at most, he says, before they quit."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DDRIGHTS/message/7455

added comments:
"The actual size and the origin of the Illegal immigrant population in the United States is uncertain and difficult to ascertain [...] based on this [current] data indicate that the current population may range from 7 million to 20 million...An often used number in 2008 is 11 million. This is a decline from the historic peak of 12.5 million seen in 2007." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States

build a 40 ft fence and they will come with a 41 ft ladder...we need comprehensive immigration reform...including amnesty and citizenship for children brought here by their illegal parents.

@tonto
re: 'the immigration system built this country just fine for 200 years ...no "reform" needed'

apologies i misunderstood your position...as you referenced "build a fence"...thought you wanted to build a fence...

seems we basically agree there is no need for reform...just make the current process legal for employers and workers...as you say it's been working fine for 200 years...

well maybe not 200 yrs...but for a long time illegals have been doing work most non-latinos will not do...and in the process providing reasonable priced produce for us legals.

re: "liberals only want blind, ignorant, sheep to throw sugar coated crumbs to for votes."

being a liberal redneck, i miss the relation of what liberals want (blind, ignorant, sheep) to immigration...to avoid more misunderstanding would you explain the connection?

thanks.

Employers hiring illegals get cheap labor. They save a few dollars and the gigantic burden of the cost of providing free benifits to the illegals crushes the taxpayers. Give amnesty and sign them to vote=instant democrat dictatorship. Sweet deals.

@Tonto
re: Employers hiring illegals get cheap labor.

and we the people get reasonable priced produce...and all benefit...we and the employers more so than the exploited illegals.

re: the gigantic burden of the cost of providing free benefits to the illegals crushes the taxpayers.

and you have data to show the crushing we the taxpayers endure...

one source say: "Illegal immigration into the United States is a highly profitable proposition for both employers and the U.S. government..."
http://usliberals.about.com/od/immigration/a/IllegalImmi.htm

re: "Give amnesty and sign them to vote=instant democrat dictatorship. Sweet deals.

"sweet deal", YES.

"democrat dictatorship", NO. ...they could vote either GOPtpers or DEMs...

tho due to GOP racist policies, illegals (and current legal latinos) probably would/will vote DEM...but in either case NO dictatorship...which is hyperbole that adds nothing to the discussion.

BTW Bush Administration ignored the law mandating the hiring of new agents...

@tonto

sorry dont follow you points and facetious remarks...but will respond as best i can...we agree corps are evil and exploit illegals as do relatively small farmers...

re: "Democrats have never promised them anything to give them amnesty to vote for them."

your facetious comments do not support your opine...to my knowledge, DEMs have not promised illegals anything except fair treatment...

data/refs to sustain your opine that DEM have promised amnesty for votes would be interesting...any links...if not will have to assume there are none and you (like the sheep in your earlier ref) just follow the party line.

specifically is there any ref that contradicts: "illegal immigration into the United States is a highly profitable proposition for both employers and the U.S. government..."
http://usliberals.about.com/od/immigration/a/IllegalImmi.htm

if we are to learn from this discussion it may best to refrain from factious comments and stick to relevant references.

I suggest browsing some web sites in Arizona to see the real impact of illegals. Start here: www.buildtheborderfence.com or azcentral.com

@tonto
re: suggest browsing some web sites in Arizona to see the real impact of illegals. Start here: www.buildtheborderfence.com or azcentral.com

COMMENTs
reviewed www.buildtheborderfence.com when you originally provided the link...found nothing that sustained your opine: "Democrats have never promised them anything to give them amnesty to vote for them"...it's all (well mostly) about building a fence.

is there something i missed...ie, is there a specific ref...also

have googled and have not found sustaining references for any of your immigration opines...if there are a specific refs on which you base your opines and i missed...could you provide...tho,

we agree: "no need for reform... it's [immigration, illegal or otherwise] has been working fine for 200 years...

we just need to make it legal for employers to hire illegals critical to our economy...perhaps give them green cards...weel/and

it would help if the racism issue could be eliminated.

@tonto

think this discussion has run its course...thanks for your opines...

A pragmatist would say:
1. 12 million illegals, we can't physically arrest and deport that many people.
2. We can't leave them in limbo forever, and their kids, hiding, running and not getting credit for the taxes they've paid.
3. Yes, "credit for the taxes they've paid" Time Magazine reported some months back illegals have paid $450 Billion in taxes, under phony names and social security numbers, which they will never get credit for in retirement payback.
4. Then there is the human side of the question. Millions of kids, brought up in America, don't know their parents home country anymore than I know Ireland, or you know Germany, Italy, Greece, China or wherever, that can't get in-state tuition at colleges or threatened with deportation. Is this going to continue forever?

If an illegal has been in the USA for 5 years, worked, and hasn't committed a felony, is not in a gang give him (her) a path to citizenship. Three years, then citizenship.
Less than 5 years give him a work permit until he/she makes 5 years, then 3 year path.Let them get out of the shadows, work, pay taxes, they're kids enjoy full citizenship.
It's a fairly simple question when ypou get all the political BS out of it. Are you listening Joe Wilson, Jim DeMint, the 4 "twits" and all the rest of the demogogues we're plagued with in SC.

Reprinted from Politico, 4 Nov 2011.
---------------

TeamPOLITICO: Nov. 4, 2011 - 6:38 AM EST
The twelve swing states polled were Michigan, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania.

Sad, so many low-information-voters, OR voters with very short memories

1) Lilly Ledbetter Act = Equal Pay track for Women

2) HC Insurance Companies Must Spend 85% of Your premium On You. (1st time in history)

3) Seal-6 Killed bin Laden

4) Your 401K & IRA & Roth are back on top + Wall Street Reform Began (yes, more to do)

5) Saved or helped Small Business Create 2 Million Jobs (we were losing Jobs when he got here)

6) Ending Iraq on time, Speeding up Afghan-conflict

7) US Still Makes Cars (Auto-bailout worked too)

8) DOJ fighting for Voter-Rights (how many of those above states are passing Supression Laws?)

You really want to go back to "Losing Jobs?"

You really want to go back to zero in your Retirement Accounts?

OK, but don't complain when the "Starve-the-Beast" Republicans Kill all Government and cause another Stock-crash. or when a tunnel leaks and you almost drown.

Caveat: [I wanted us to run an "Eisenhower Republican" with the balls to Honor Oath of Office & not take some Pledge that means more than our National Whole. Ike would do a big-project like Interstate Highway, so, I may be over a rock voting for Democratic Tickets across the board (local, state, Fed