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Rove: South Carolina is a Toss-Up

The traditionally red Palmetto State might be in play this fall.

Republican strategist and George W. Bush mastermind Karl Rove thinks South Carolina could be up for grabs in the 2012 presidential race.

In a Karl Rove & Co. newsletter, the former White House strategist lists the Palmetto State as a "toss-up," a classification he gave to states where polls indicate presumtive GOP nominee Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama are only separated by 3 percent or so.

"There are six states with a combined 82 (electoral college) votes classified as 'toss-ups,'" Rove wrote in the newsletter. He includes Iowa, Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia in this group.

He also lists the traditionally easy-win Republican states, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky and Texas, as just "leaning Romney." Arizona is also classified as leaning Romney, and that's a state the Obama campaign has said publicly it would like to flip this fall.

In 2008, Obama won 20 South Carolina counties, but he lost the state overall. Sen. John McCain bested the President by about 168,000 votes. South Carolina hasn't gone for a Democrat since 1976 when then-Georgia Gov. Jimmy Carter was on the ballot.

"I think if Obama was ever going to win in South Carolina, it was going to be in 2008," said Lin Bennett, chairwoman of the Charleston County Republican Party. "The party is so confident about South Carolina, they are asking us to help with bordering states like North Carolina that need a little extra boost. ... I think (Karl Rove) is saying this probably just to stir things up and get attention."

Democrats, however, say the poll indicates the distate for Romney, who lost the state's GOP primary to former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

"The level of contempt for flip-flopper Mitt Romney was evident when South Carolina Republicans rejected him in the Presidential Primary in January," said Democratic strategist Tyler Jones. "Rove's polling obviously says a lot about the President, but it says even more about Mitt Romney."

"For once, I think I agree with Karl Rove," said Richard Hricik, chairman of the Charleston Democratic Party. "Given the utter weakness of their candidate and the strength of the President's record, every state should be in play."

Rove predicts a close race, but if voters went to the polls today, using Rove's math, Obama would clinch the election with about 14 electoral votes to spare.

James W. Freston May 02, 2012 at 10:46 PM
joSCh--I didn't say Obama raised taxes on anybody. He hasn't. And I agree that the taxes on the wealthy are low and should be raised. My concern is with the corporate rate specifically. Now, would you respond to my question about how Obama might use his power to help with the jobless situation? Bad news about the economy again today.
stanley seigler May 03, 2012 at 12:01 AM
@James W. Freston: "...If you say no, then we need a change to someone who can because joblessness is such an important issue. If you say yes, say what he can so to help..." who we gonna change to...surely not to someone who ,espouses the policies that led to 1929/2008 debacles...BO policies have turned the economy around...and his policies would have been more effective if GOPs had not blocked them (many their own original ideas)...but to corporate tax rate: just as individual taxes need reform so does the corp tax structure...e.g., establish a “corporate minimum tax” (25%, whatever)...especially on global profits... as suggested for individuals...a two line 1040 type document: line one gross profit; minimum tax rate times line one...enter tax due on line two...oversimplification...maybe...but somewhere between the two liner and where we are now sorely needed. currently (as with rich folks) some corps pay zip income tax...may even get tax credits... makes little sense to argue rates when there are so many loopholes...believe BO has a corporate tax reform plan...anyone know its status or what's the T-GOP plan... there are no levers BO can pull...well perhaps corp rate could be changed...but how yo gonna pay for it...more cuts to programs for the disabled and education...
harry November 03, 2012 at 11:02 AM
be aware--patch is owned by huff post, so consider the source.
harry November 03, 2012 at 11:03 AM
i believe obama once ran a hotdog and lemonaid stand. both were successful...lol
harry November 03, 2012 at 11:09 AM
bottom line-----gas doubled,debt more than all other presidents combined,family income down by five grand, less people emplyed now than when he took over. how could anyone want to give four more years of failure.....the whitehouse was never meant to be a training ground.

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